[spoilers] Harry and Ruth: Back With A Vengeance?

[Tea Lady]

Looking forward to this new fanfic Silktie. Please post soon.

I also agree that Ruth is my cliffhanger. You kind of know what will happen to Harry as there are limited options. Will Ruth finally have returned from Cyprus, at long last???

[Forever Secret]

(20-01-2011 05:30 PM)Naivety Wrote:  Yes, I agree with you, A Cousin, there is a cliff hanger for all us Harry and Ruth fans. I still can't make my mind up whether Ruth was crying for Harry or Lucas. My first instinct was that it was a release from too much pent up emotion. For me, it represents a turning point in Ruth, a cathartis if you like. When she called Harry as he was about to leave, I thought she finally understood what Harry had had to go through when she was in danger.

Ahhh, totally agree!
There's always a cliffhanger for Harry and Ruth fans! Every episode
I think think she was crying more for Harry than for Lucas, but I do think some of those tears were for Lucas. She watched him fall apart, and become someone else right in front of her when he kidnapped her, seeing that happen to Lucas, knowing that he more than likely kill Harry out of revenge could've just been too much for her. Then again, I agree about her understanding what Harry had to go through at that moment

I just noticed something,
The line "At the moment when you decided to make that deal it was unfair of you to love me" and "All the people who have given up thier lives I'm not worth more than them"
Ruth didn't know Albany was a fake, the actual fact is that when the situation is reversed and Harry goes to sacrifice his life to save innocent people the threat is actually real even though the bomb was fake, no one knew that the bomb was a fake but Harry knew all along Albany was wasn't real, there was never any danger to anyone elses life other than his own, Ruth's and Lucas.
Harry knew the exact sacrifice he was making in the moment he knew there was no way to save, Lucas, Albany and Ruth... had Albany been real I don't think Ruth would still be alive.
If Ruth believes that Harry is in a way a hypocrite, then that's not quite right, because if Lucas had killed her she would have died for nothing, which is why I think Harry allowed himself to give Albany up so easily, but if Lucas had killed Harry, they would've thought it would've been to save lives, it would've been a real sacrifice... it's complicated, but I think it makes sense
I'll be glad when... well if Ruth finds out Albany wasn't real, maybe she'll understand then that Harry didn't give up the lives of others, he only gave up his own

[Naivety]

(20-01-2011 07:08 PM)Forever Secret Wrote:  I'll be glad when... well if Ruth finds out Albany wasn't real, maybe she'll understand then that Harry didn't give up the lives of others, he only gave up his own

She may still not forgive him though. Look at what she gave up so that he stayed as head of Section D in series 5. What is she going to say when she finds out he might have thrown it all away just to save her! That's quite a pedestal to put someone on.

[Forever Secret]

Ahh that's true, no matter what happens its always going to come back and bite one of them in the backside
Maybe Harry's reasoning would be exactly that though, "You sacrificed your life here for me now its time for me to return the favour" even though it's unfair, but Ruth didn't only save Harry's career in S5, she also saved her own life, so it worked out well both ways, she moved on.

Sometimes it seems like there's no win got either of them Hopefully Ruth won't hold it against him, it's like a balancing sheet constantly between them, he sacrfices himself for her, she sacrifices her life for him, maybe that's why he also chose to save her. She'd given up her life once for him, for other people, and Harry thought it was unfair for her to do it again, and that it was his turn

[A Cousin]

(20-01-2011 07:18 PM)Naivety Wrote:  

(20-01-2011 07:08 PM)Forever Secret Wrote:  I'll be glad when... well if Ruth finds out Albany wasn't real, maybe she'll understand then that Harry didn't give up the lives of others, he only gave up his own

She may still not forgive him though. Look at what she gave up so that he stayed as head of Section D in series 5. What is she going to say when she finds out he might have thrown it all away just to save her! That's quite a pedestal to put someone on.

Ahh...me thinks the tables have turned. I think Ruth put Harry on a pedestal for years. Esp. prior to 5.5. I think that is part of the reason she is having such a difficult time coming to terms with her feelings for him now is that they are very, very real. In S9 and a bit at the end of S8, Harry's human weakness' are showing, which NW has mentioned Ruth finds a bit distasteful. I think because she is used to all professional all the time Harry.

[lottanyman]

I'd say Ruth has put Harry on a pedestal until the proposal and even after that when she told him they couldn't be more together than they already were through work. I definately think she loves him but she also thinks she doesn't deserve him or any happiness due to the events with George and maybe she thought it would be enough to see Harry everyday on the Grid and this is the "togetherness" she accepts.

But when she's crying after Harry went off to see Lucas (and yes, surely some of these tears are for Lucas too) maybe that's the point when she realises that it hurts even more not to have Harry in her life anymore than to have him but to keep him at arm's length. So this could be the turning point once she learns Harry got out of this alive and even more when she learns that Albany was a fake. But as someone already said before, now it's definately Ruth's turn to talk to Harry and to make amends.

I really hope the writers decide to get them together but it doesn't need to be rushed as this again would be totally out of character. The problem is that I don't have any clue how they could do this. I think neither Harry nor Ruth would really take a step forward even after all these realisations and would probably need some kind of middleman to see their senses.

[JHyde]

I disagree strongly that Ruth still had Harry on a pedestal right up until the proposal. I think he came down off that in increments throughout season 8, starting with the events of 8.1.

[lottanyman]

(21-01-2011 06:46 AM)JHyde Wrote:  I disagree strongly that Ruth still had Harry on a pedestal right up until the proposal. I think he came down off that in increments throughout season 8, starting with the events of 8.1.

Well yes, you're right that Harry wasn't as high up above as before but I still think even though that pedestal crumbled in the beginning of season 8 there must have been enough left to convince her to be able to work with Harry again.

[Silktie]

Here's a thought: maybe Ruth's disgust with Harry's self-doubt in season 9 is not really about him perse, but displaced anger because that leaves her as the only "dead inside" one in the equation. His self-doubt is very much an indication that he still has a piece of his soul left, while Ruth seems to doubt this about herself in season 9.

[DogSoSmall]

There's a really good fanfic recently posted called "Guilt". It totally hits the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. Just hope it's how the creators see it, too.