Series 9 Episode 7 discussion

[BravoNine]

(03-11-2010 01:10 PM)Kirayuki Wrote:  BravoNine: Okay, maybe squeaky clean wasn't the phrase i was after.

I also don't think it was as simple as a suitcase turning up and he's now bad. It took longer than that. He did try to stay loyal and good for a very long time in this series. He only actually flipped halfway through episode 7, so it was a gradual submittance to the darker side of him. Once you reach that state in your mind there is no going back. (I do have my doubts over him actually blowing up the Embassy and killing Lucas, i think his original version is much more likely that he wasn't bad before). Whether or not this is the case i just doubt that he could see a way out and so threw himself right in the deep end. It's quite common amongst people in trouble.

Hope this makes more sense on where i stand. .

While I certainly can accept that people in trouble just keep digging themselves deeper into that hole as I myself have gone down that path way too many times to not understand, however Lucas's reasons and this change into a near psychopath is a little more than drastic, and not to mention this supposed "great love" with Maya that he had which I just can't see, maybe if Maya showed a personality I would, but I saw much more chemistry between Lucas/Elizabeta and Lucas/Sarah than this dreadful pairing.

And even if I believe in Lucas/John's change in behavior, this storyline still remains full of holes, first of which is important....how the hell did MI5 miss the identity change? I've had more identity checks and finger-prints enlisting in the military than apparently MI5 has for its agent applications, how is this even possible?

I've suspended A LOT of my beliefs when watching TV shows, but even THIS is so ridiculous that it just ruins it....

(03-11-2010 01:12 PM)molecatcher Wrote:  I can see why you feel betrayed by the writers for what they've done to Lucas but in many ways that says its a very clever story because you've been drawn in by him just as Harry was. AND, it is fiction so they're allowed!!

True, it is allowed, it is fiction, but are the writers trying to insult my intelligence purposely? If I can't trust what they're writing into the characters, then why the hell am I watching this show then? If everything I ever believe in is just gonna end up being a whole bunch of lies, then this show is just not worth wasting my time then.

Oh yes it's very very clever that they drew me in with two series of good loyal Lucas and now suddenly shock me with evil bastard John, it's so clever that they must be laughing at how they duped me into believing their pot of lies.....well if they enjoy it so much, fine, I'll just stop watching it then, because anything this insulting is not worth my effort to believe in their characters.

I wasted pretty much two series-worth of my lifetime believing in their writing, believing in what they created with Lucas, and now I'm suppose to forget all that and accept that it's just lies. Fine. Then I will be done with this show, because if I can't trust the writing, if what I am shown to believe in can just be erased so easily without a thought, then I can't watch the show. If they can change Lucas like this, then how am I suppose to believe what they write for Beth is true? Or Dimitri? Or Tariq? Or even Ruth and Harry? They could all just be lies, then what is so worth believing in this show?

It's just how I feel, the day I stop trusting the writers, it's the day this show ends for me, and right now, it's dangerously drifting close to that end.....