Series 9 Episode 8 discussion

[AnnMarie]

(09-11-2010 11:55 AM)Tea Lady Wrote:  So, what if there was another ending, one where Lucas redeems himself, and survives. He doesn't throw himself off the roof. What if this was the ending they were going to use BUT as RA got the part in the Hobbit, he has not renewed his contract with Kudos. Hence, they had to go with the other ending, which people would obviously be more disappointed with. Hence we didn't see Lucas actually throw himself off the building, because it wasn't what was going to happen.

I have already said that I felt that Harry standing on the roof in the dark, at the end, didn't seem real. You didn't actually see Harry speak on the phone to the HS, just a voice over. The footage was also the same as the end of 9.1. I think that this was not going to be the original ending. Hence, we didn't get the usual Spooks cliff hanger at the end.

I will probably get shouted at here, but how do the people who are criticising the ending and who hate what happened to Lucas, know that it was not forced upon Kudos because Richard Armitage handed his notice in, at the last moment? I'm not saying that I am correct in this, but how do we know? We don't know but there are several things pointing to this. I have a feeling that this was not the ending Kudos wanted. Also it would have been bleeding obvious that RA would not be in S10 when he was away filming in New Zealand for two years, so what would have been the point of leaving his survival as a cliff hanger.

What I am saying here is, what if Richard Armitage's career choice directly caused the unhappy demise of Lucas, that we saw last night. It this is the case, I don't see how people can be shouting at Kudos or the writers. Perhaps people should be shouting at Richard Armitage himself.

If I were an entertainment journalist, the question I would be asking Kudos is, was there a second ending and was the ending you gave us, the ending you wanted?

Things are never just black and white and if people are thinking that this was a strange ending for a Spooks series, then there is probably more to it than we know.

Dear TeaLady,

Well, Kudos can't have it both ways. They can't keep the actors in the dark as to their fate each season and then be surprised that actors commit to other acting jobs. They are self-employed, the actors, and need to work. If they planned a series 10 with Lucas then they should have signed him for another series. Simple as that. Also, the Hobbit commitment had to have manifested itself before the final episodes were written and they should have had time (the fans on this website had better plot resolutions) to tidy things up a bit without leaving holes the size of the Grand Canyon (my favorite analogy for this series).

Kudos may very well blame Mr. Armitage, as it will be an attempt to deflect from their own deficiencies. I don't blame him. This was very shoddy writing and the plot was (what is it the Brits say?) oh yes, dodgy (love that word). The acting of the 3 main characters was superb and saved the episode from being utter drivel.

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(09-11-2010 01:21 PM)LucasNorthFan Wrote:  Isn't it a bit ironic that Harry was there when Lucas came back to 'life' (from Russian prison) and he was there when Lucas died...

LNF (a bit shattered)

LNF-

The circle is complete.