[spoilers] Lucas. Just Lucas.

[Poppy]

(24-11-2010 05:58 PM)BravoNine Wrote:  

(24-11-2010 05:47 PM)Poppy Wrote:  

(24-11-2010 01:48 PM)Belle Wrote:  

(24-11-2010 11:17 AM)BoHenley Wrote:  Thanks for the fabulous insights into those episodes.

I'm re-watching S7 at the moment, and the Australian ABC is broadcasting S8 (we've just had 8.4). From what Lucas says in S7 about his torture and imprisonment, and after watching 8.4 again, I simply can't believe that Lucas wouldn't have divulged SOMETHING about his past life as John UNDER TORTURE. Those scenes are distressing, we could assume there were worse (as there are in real life) and there's no way he could keep that buried, even if Darsharvin, Kachimov and that female torturer didn't ask him specifically.

It's another thing that DOESN'T BLOODY ADD UP about S9. (fume)

My toughts exactly!
Lucas could never have kept his secret identity covered whilst undergoing torture.
So there are two options:
a) The russians knew about Lucas/ John. But surely they would have used that info to their benefit by making him a double-agent or something like that, threatening to reveal his true identity to MI5. If the rusians knew that Lucas was John Bateman they had a leverage that could be golden to them, but we never saw or heard something in that line.
b) The whole Lucas = John story arc is b*llsh*t! The writers of S9 forgot to watch S7 and S8 or they just used what was conveniant for them.

I totally agree with you about the storyline, but maybe he did divulge something about John. They might not have said anything about it when they let him go because he agreed to work as a double agent.
Dasharvin wouldn't have said anything when he returned because he needed Lucas to help him.
Could that be why Lucas was so keen to deal with Dasharvin on his own and why Dasharvin has such a hold over him???
I know it's a bit far out...

I seriously doubt they had this planned out from the very beginning, they were always saying that Lucas was a heroic character, a good guy with a tortured past, if they had planned to have this whole John thing, there would have been at least even a TINY HINT of something about John throughout Series 7 and 8, there could have been little mentions or drops, but nothing, and then voila! Series 9 starts off with some stupid suitcase and no mention of the Russians knowing at all.

Not to mention that Lucas says to Ruth that he has been "sooooo careful"

Yes, you're right, now I think about it...they would made some sort of hints or something...