Series 9 Episode 8 discussion

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(30-11-2010 02:55 PM)Byatil Wrote:  Well, if we accept the theory that Lucas is suffering from split-personality disorder, then the plot somewhat makes sense.

Lucas was the dominant persona, whilst the traumatised John was buried deep within L/J's psych. Whilst Lucas was the dominant persona, he had no recollection of ever encountering any other version of himself. I'm not quite sure how multiple/split-personality disorders work, but someone once told me "it's like a revolver", with each different personality surfacing just as a revolver shoots out different bullets. If we accept this theory to be correct, then it is possible that the dominant Lucas persona simply had no idea of the John persona (as it was so deeply buried within him), that the Lucas persona constructed an entire recollection of a past life (the brain can apparently do tremendous things under trauma), and that all it took for the John persona to resurface and become dominant was the right trigger (...Maya? Or Vaughn. The triggers were poor ones, but if we accept them as triggers it makes a bit more sense).

We then see John in 9.8 constantly struggling with Lucas, as Lucas obviously wants to help Harry understand, whereas John is intent on destruction (of himself and others). If we view 9.8 as L/J's internal battle of different persona's, then I think it almost makes sense?

Either that or there really is no plausible explanation whatsoever for this storyline. You be the judge

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I must say that I am incligned to go with the second option you provided

I can not believe that, or understand why, Lucas/ John would have a split-personality-disorder in the way the storytelling led us to believe.
Because; if Lucas was the dominant persona, like you said, and had no memory of ever encountering the John-persona, than why would Lucas have said to Harry in 9.7, that he endured those 8 years of prison as a sort of redemption for the British-embasey-bombing and the murdering of the real Lucas North, wich were both commited by John Bateman?
If the Lucas-persona never met the John-persona, than why would he feel guilty for something he didn't know he (his other persona) did?

I am aware that the human brain is capable of extra-ordinary things and has the amazing gift of survival, but this revelation we saw in S9.7 and S9.8 doesn't make any sense at all, given the fact that there are too many things that don't add up.
Even if Lucas' brain made an entire nonexisting past up, simply to survive, there still is the matter of Lucas taking the blame for Johns behavior, someone he apparently never knew existed, and all this took place before the briefcase or Vaughn or Maya came in the picture, so the trigger-thing doesn't make sense either, when you look at the timeline in wich the events took place.

I agree that we see Lucas/John struggeling with himself( as to say: with his concience, and not with another personality) in 9.8, but this whole duplicity-twist the writers gave to the story is too far-fetched given the poor evidence( IMO; no evidence at all!) we were provided with during the whole season ( and S7 & 8, for that matter) to be convincingly to me.

Now you may pass that bottle to me, please (it may be whiskey, too, with a straw).