Episodes 1 & 2 [re-watch]

[HellsBells]

I never really liked Anna and Adam. Maybe it was the way it was presented. She was already with Adam without any background as to how the relationship developed, it was just there at the start of series 6.

[JHyde]

We have a separate thread going for people who might want to bitch about Anna as the re-watch goes on. It's creatively called 'Anna'.

We also have one going for Adam and Ros.

[xRuthx]

Are the rewatches down one at a time or all at once? I can't remember most of series six. Maybe I should do a rewatch for this thread

[JHyde]

We watch one episode a week, we picked up a couple of weeks ago from where we left off. This thread will run for two weeks because it was a double parter. You can also contribute after the fact, the threads are always open.

[A Cousin]

So I watched 6.2 last night. It is aaaallll about Jo and Connie for me.

I love the introductory images of Connie with the bottle of gin (I think? I'm pretty sure it wasn't a whisky. It was clear. Might be vodka? which would be VERY interesting.) And the Sudoku book followed by the breath spray to cover the gin. Good direction, that! Boy, you just learned almost everything you need to know about her even before you get to that wonderful exchange with Harry and Malcolm, her bolstering of Harry's confidence, and her brilliant foray into the field. I adored Connie for the moment I met her. It is very interesting to watch with 20/20 hindsight.

And Jo's performance esp. with the Edik Kuznetzov character is cool too. I thought he was very interesting. He is clearly an old school spy of what I thought was a comparable position to Harry. Jo ends the ordeal with more respect for him than she began with.

On a shallow note, PF looks hot in the black jeans a blue shirt. Back to maturity, his chemistry with Matthew Marsh is great. There is "almost" respect between the two.

Interesting that Ros is the one with the heart in this episode and Adam most decidedly is not. Thank the lord that wasn't Zaf!

And the superimposed series arc makes its introduction. The intro just seemed superfluous to me - tacked on.

[Silktie]

(11-03-2011 02:53 PM)A Cousin Wrote:  Interesting that Ros is the one with the heart in this episode and Adam most decidedly is not.

Yeah, that is interesting to me as well. Although, if I were infected with a virus and would probably die a slow, horrible death in a few hours I think I'd be a little short on heart too.

I do feel we could do with a bit more of an explanation as to why Ros is suddenly more concerned about saving Zaf than she is about saving London from the virus. With this I don't mean I have a serious problem with her doing so. It's just that it jars a little with how the character was presented to us in the previous season. I'm not suggesting that she wouldn't have cared about Zaf then, but that she has been shown as someone who narrowly focuses on getting the job done whatever the cost.

It's also interesting that Harry and Adam are the only two that actually went through with infecting their victims in an attempt to get the information they wanted, and that Ros and Jo did not. I wonder if Jo would have done it if the Russian hadn't caved so quickly?

Harry's line to Connie at the end that she should come back because he needs her, and because Malcolm needs her also makes me think. Why does he say that Malcolm needs her? Does he mean it in a work sense, because since Ruth left Malcolm is the only Grid based officer left? Or does he mean it on a more personal level, namely that he worries that Malcolm has no close friends left after Colin's death and Ruth's departure? Probably a bit of both, I guess.

[Kazters]

i think from the moment she joins the team she gets on well with zaf its evident in the council office that she genruanly cares about him its perhaps possible they worked together at MI6 but we just arent told about it.

Adam does have a habit of closing of his emotions at times of great stress he is able to do that.

[A Cousin]

(12-03-2011 06:20 AM)Silktie Wrote:  Yeah, that is interesting to me as well. Although, if I were infected with a virus and would probably die a slow, horrible death in a few hours I think I'd be a little short on heart too.

But was it really necessary to break Indian agents knee caps? He was down already! The look on Adam's face is absolutely murderous.

(12-03-2011 06:20 AM)Silktie Wrote:  I do feel we could do with a bit more of an explanation as to why Ros is suddenly more concerned about saving Zaf than she is about saving London from the virus. With this I don't mean I have a serious problem with her doing so. It's just that it jars a little with how the character was presented to us in the previous season. I'm not suggesting that she wouldn't have cared about Zaf then, but that she has been shown as someone who narrowly focuses on getting the job done whatever the cost.

Doesn't she meet the french agent in the hopes of getting info about Zaf? That scene is the catalyst for the over arching theme. As I mentioned before, this intro feels a bit superimposed to me. Although I agree with Kaz that Ros very much has a soft spot for Zaf in general which might explain it. However, for me, they do Ret Con Ros a bit to make it fit.

(12-03-2011 06:20 AM)Silktie Wrote:  Harry's line to Connie at the end that she should come back because he needs her, and because Malcolm needs her also makes me think.

Maybe Malcolm needs help with his crossword puzzles? Connie has been established as a puzzle person too! Seriously, I took it on more of an operational level. Throughout the end of S5 and the first couple of S6 episodes, the connection developing between Malcolm and Harry is part of this. The stress of being the only senior analyst is showing and Harry sees it. Malcolm is not very good under stress. More so than any others. I think Harry needs her too and is using Malcolm as a bit of an excuse.

BTW, Connie is drinking gin. Mr AC (ex-bartender) confirms that it looks like Tangueray, a mid shelf gin. What does that say about her?

Series 7 Spoiler: show

I always wonder how much TPTB know about where they are going to take any given character from the start of that character.

[Nia M]

(11-03-2011 02:53 PM)A Cousin Wrote:  Interesting that Ros is the one with the heart in this episode and Adam most decidedly is not.

(12-03-2011 06:20 AM)Silktie Wrote:  I do feel we could do with a bit more of an explanation as to why Ros is suddenly more concerned about saving Zaf than she is about saving London from the virus. With this I don't mean I have a serious problem with her doing so. It's just that it jars a little with how the character was presented to us in the previous season. I'm not suggesting that she wouldn't have cared about Zaf then, but that she has been shown as someone who narrowly focuses on getting the job done whatever the cost.

This struck me too. My guess would be that she knows what it's like to feel you've been left behind and are going to die (in 5.10 she's basically left on the Barrier alone with the terrorists - and probably likely to die - until Adam comes along, and then again when they're under the water we see her at her most vulnerable, in complete and utter panic, and essentially giving up) and she doesn't want Zaf to have to go through that. Perhaps she also feels that she still owes a lot to the team for a) her part in her father's coup and b) her part in Ruth's exile, so she feels she needs to make up for that even more.

One of the things about

Series 6 - one of the major storylines Spoiler: show

Ros' association with Yalta, and her 'betrayal' of the service though that, that I find most interesting is the fact that she first fell into is because she wanted to find Zaf. Magritte keeps her hooked by baiting her with little bits on information about him, info she needs in order to find him. To me, that makes her 'betrayal' forgivable - she's always reminded me here of someone who's in out of their depth

Apologies for going slightly off topic there, but it tied in with what I was saying above

[binkie]

(12-03-2011 03:30 PM)A Cousin Wrote:  BTW, Connie is drinking gin. Mr AC (ex-bartender) confirms that it looks like Tangueray, a mid shelf gin. What does that say about her?

Cynical me thinks that says her grade-tied civil service pension is probably not all that impressive