So, I've been trying to work out which parts of the trailer we've not yet seen and which episodes they're going to be in. I've decided the best way to work it out is to look at what clothes they're wearing - for example, what tie Harry is wearing or what coat Ruth is wearing.

This is my theory: (I've put it all as a spoiler so not to ruin it for anyone that doesn't want to know, plus i'm useless at knowing what should be in it and what shouldn't!)


That's my opinion anyway! Can't wait for Sunday!
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(03-10-2011 02:56 PM)loladom Wrote:  

(03-10-2011 02:01 PM)Tea Lady Wrote:  Following on from Silkties comments in the episode 3 thread, here is my best guess to what is going on. This is just from my own jumbled mind and is not based on any spoilers.

I think Ilya is in cahoots with those Russians we saw at the start of 10.1. This is all basically a big KGB/FSB plot. Ilya knows his wife was a spy but loved/loves her. He has been forced to activate her again. Ilya has already proved what a good spy he is when dealing with Martha. For the plot to suceed, the best, being Harry Pearce needs to be taken out as well as British intelligence's focus. Distract Harry, and you distract the whole team. It's classic miss-direction. The attempt on Ilya's life was set up by him. The woman in the CCTV was very clear. She is being used by the Russians and ILya knew they would trace her back to CIA. Ilya would know about the ballet and it would be easy to make it look like the CIA. Why though is the question? Is it all just an overt way to get secrets out of the British?

Or simply good old fashioned revenge for being cuckolded? Setting Coaver and the CIA up is the added bonus given his involvement with Elena. Getting the old friends to kill the special relationship of themselves, their security services and their governments.Plus getting Harry out of the way and weakening MI5 in general would give greater power to the Russians in the deal. Ilya is certainly smart enough to pull off your plan, which is very plausible.

I'd be a bit disappointed if this is what it's all about though. I want something more. I remember feeling that about the Lucas/John story though, I wanted something more complex than what we got.

Very much agree.

Season 9 was a strange one - the individual episodes were good, a couple of them excellent and yet overall there was this feeling of dissatisfaction. It was pretty clear well before the end that there was going to be no redemption for Lucas and there were no Spooks-like twists.

Obviously the jury is out on S10 - no-one will have been surprised by the revelations at the end of E3. There do only seem the two paths as outlined above but neither of those would surprise or shock in the Spook-honoured manner.

If this it then quite honestly I will reluctantly reconcile myself to the fact that it probably was time to call it quits.

We shall see.

Been watching Spooks now for over ten seasons, not always it was equally good in quality, this season it's a bit less, they keep repeting themselves and after all - we saw everything already once before...

When we follow this plotline of recent episodes, i more and more get the feeling that there is no impersonator of Harry Pearce, the final line of the final episode will be that all these years Pearce himself was a Russian spy !

According to the BBC Spooks synopsis for Episode 5, there is not only


I was expecting more of a political story and less of a family melodrama, Greek tragedy or not. Perhaps we will get the political angle in the last two episodes.

I doubt that Harry is a Russian spy. Kudos would not destroy ten years of hardwork by the actors and writers just for the shock of repudiating Harry's character. The same applies to Ruth too.

(03-10-2011 02:01 PM)Tea Lady Wrote:  Following on from Silkties comments in the episode 3 thread......

I think Ilya is in cahoots with those Russians we saw at the start of 10.1. This is all basically a big KGB/FSB plot. Ilya knows his wife was a spy but loved/loves her. He has been forced to activate her again. ....... Why though is the question? Is it all just an overt way to get secrets out of the British?

I've thought the same thing about Ilya more than once, but wanted to share an additional thought.... The Russian in 10.1 says that "Gavrik" has never let them down (or something to that effect)...... While there are pictures of them all -- perhaps he was referring to Elena and not Ilya???

I think Ilya is a villian, of course -- but more likely that Elena is the true conspirator. With the assissination of her parents, perhaps she continued as a spy post MI-6/CIA, with a local faction and wants the Russian/British relationship to fail? Or she's angry with Harry for leaving her/Sasha behind and framing him now?

I think her assissination was a hoax (too close to miss)

[fyi -- I don't really remember all of 10.1 at the Russian house -- so like all good speculation, am probably completely wrong].


As a second thread and more improbability of accuracy... I think Harry leaves to save/protect Sasha at some point. I still think that Coaver is innocent (for no reason except too obvious) and that Sasha takes matters into his own hands. Harry will take the blame for any impact to the CIA and tries to figure a 'way out'

Love that Ruth will work for the HS. Of course, she and Harry are my favorite, but this protects her and puts her in 1) a better position to help Harry and 2) hopefully a better position for an equal relationship

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(07-10-2011 12:09 PM)beatrice4ruth Wrote:  To top it off, Sasha finds out about his true paternity......

I was expecting more of a political story and less of a family melodrama, Greek tragedy or not.....

About Sasha.... I agree and really think he already knows/suspects. That's why he asked Harry in Episode 3, why Harry came to tell him in person (vs. sending that 'woman') that Harry would be handling the matter and Sasha should stop. The 10.4 Elena/Harry hug in the park was a bit tell-tale too.

I like your comment about Greek tragedy too..... clearly much of the Harry/Ruth drama is happening off-stage (like much of Greek drama). Understandable as this isn't a soap opera, but I wish the scripts had included more 1:1 with H/R and
1. explained their reconciliation (of sorts) in the 8-week suspension/inquiry,
2. their personal reactions to Tariq,
3. Harry's decision in 10.4 to take action BEFORE hearing from Dimitri,
4. plus any additional thoughts about all the secrets.

The park bench scene was very good, just wish there were more H/R [/php]moments like this before we say a final good-bye.

Well it's quite possible that the Russians have been "running" Elena and have allowed it to be discovered by the Brits, who assume it's the CIA, in order to cause a rift in the US-UK special relationship.

I'm getting a very odd feeling there's going to be something out of kilter with Dmitri. Although he's having more screen time now we still know practically nothing about him. So could there be something cataclysmic coming up?

Elena is at the bottom of everything.

I'm sure it's going to be a bittersweet ending. Some members of the team will live and some will die.

Best guess is that Ruth and Harry will be "killed" in a bomb or shoot out but then in the final clip we will see them meeting up in Perth, Australia or some other far-flung destination.

I've changed my mind completely. Most people seem to think Jim Coaver is being set up and I agree. I don't think it's Ilya either.

After last night's episode, I'm still hanging onto the Elena bandwagon.

(07-10-2011 12:09 PM)beatrice4ruth Wrote:  

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I do not mind the "Elena" arc, even if she might want to get revenge on Harry. In episode 3 Elena was fishing for information about Harry. First Elena told Ruth that Harry loved her and when Ruth did not react, she tried another tactic, the difficulty that Harry had with trust. To me this conversation proves that Elena is up to no good.

I absolutely agree! And then the
There seem to be a lot of storylines that need to be wrapped up and we only have two episodes left - I can't wait!