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Tea Lady · 29-10-2011, 02:07 PM

(29-10-2011 11:37 AM)Gillymac Wrote: Not content with that, they've now dragged Helen James Productions, who make the behind the scenes features, into the fray. Nice one. What if Kudos decide not to use this company in future now because of this furore? They've clearly been in contact with them about it. More real live people, with homes, families and the rest of the responsibilities that we all have, potentially out of work. Honestly - is it worth that? Because a television show we all loved has come to an end? If you feel you can justify it, go ahead, I'd be interested to read it.

My final thoughts on this matter are thus: Spooks is not and never was all about one particular group of fans (or sub-section of a larger group) - it was for all of us, and I for one am deeply saddened and hurt, that in a week where we should be celebrating 10 years of amazing, thrilling, heartstring tugging television, performed with consumate professionalism by some of the finest actors this country has ever produced, the only voices the programme makers, writers and (worst of all IMHO) the actors are hearing are those of anger, hatred and bile. You do not speak for me, that's for damn sure.

*hides unicorn behind sofa* Wink

It is true though with all things in life, those who are the most angry shout the loudest. I am sure though they are not the only ones who are being heard. It was rather like this at the end of series 9, with Lucas North. Actually, I think that may have been worse, if that is possible. I know a few "hobbit fanciers" wanted to string me up then... Wink

The Helen James "thing" is very odd and removing tweets and the clip from YouTube....Who knows what has gone on. I'm looking forward to S10 DVD though. Nothing to do with the fact that I may be on it, trying to look relaxed and cool while soaked to the skin behind Max Brown.... *coughs*

Naivety · 29-10-2011, 02:13 PM

Despite reading all of the fine and articulate posts above, and trying to be grown up and brave about the ending to this show, in my heart I keep coming back to the heartfelt sensation of disappointment. It's not rational and it doesn't do my sensible, analysing mind justice, but it's real.

I can't help feeling that in these gloomy days of austerity and recession, it would have been good to be left with a heart-lifting conclusion that had hope at its core, instead of despair.

**Nitrus** · 29-10-2011, 02:16 PM

(29-10-2011 02:13 PM)Naivety Wrote: I can't help feeling that in these gloomy days of austerity and recession, it would have been good to be left with a heart-lifting conclusion that had hope at its core, instead of despair.

Yeh because I hear there's new legislation to make TV shows always have happy endings to lift the mood of the nation.

That's not a completely ridiculous notion at all, "I know, we've got this great drama series that is famed for shocking audiences with unhappy endings and killing off main characters but since the country is in recession and everyone is a bit down at the moment, I think it falls on the shoulders of us TV writers to give the fans a happy ending to lift their spirits."

Naivety · 29-10-2011, 02:38 PM

LOL I hear you Nitrus!

**with tongue firmly in cheek** Sounds like classic legislation to me!

By the way, I am having problems accessing the final page of this thread. I've cleared my cache and re-started the computer, but still can't see last post unless I click on 'reply'.

**Nitrus** · 29-10-2011, 02:39 PM

(29-10-2011 02:38 PM)Naivety Wrote: By the way, I am having problems accessing the final page of this thread. I've cleared my cache and re-started the computer, but still can't see last post unless I click on 'reply'.

Thanks for reminding me, need to put up a message about that.

**A Cousin** · 29-10-2011, 02:58 PM

(29-10-2011 04:36 AM)daphne Wrote:
(28-10-2011 09:52 AM)molecatcher Wrote: On 2nd viewing I got the impression Ruth walked up to Sasha and pushed against him as if she felt she could stop him by putting her body between him and Harry. Sasha looked as shocked as she did when she stepped back wounded. I'm not so sure he intended to stab her let alone kill her.

thank you. my take is along the same lines- I thought I was alone..

I saw the scene as 3 people in an emotional daze- not quite themselves- their professional instincts 'off'- mental and physical faculties slowed just enough to take that crucial edge off response time..

I saw Harry and Ruth and Sasha as 'naked' for the moment- not-Spooks, 'just' human beings.

an ineluctable accident

that is what makes the scene 'Tragic' in the "Classical" sense, for me.
3 individuals caught up, tangled in 'Fate', because of who they are- (Aristotle- the inevitability of consequence..)

Love that, daphne!

You both are not alone. That was my take too. But, whether Sasha did it intentionally or not, the fact remains that he did do it propelled by his inevitable fate. As are we propelled by the inevitable that Spooks will one day have to come to an end.

nimax1 · 29-10-2011, 03:45 PM

(29-10-2011 04:36 AM)daphne Wrote:
(28-10-2011 09:52 AM)molecatcher Wrote: On 2nd viewing I got the impression Ruth walked up to Sasha and pushed against him as if she felt she could stop him by putting her body between him and Harry. Sasha looked as shocked as she did when she stepped back wounded. I'm not so sure he intended to stab her let alone kill her.

thank you. my take is along the same lines- I thought I was alone..

I saw the scene as 3 people in an emotional daze- not quite themselves- their professional instincts 'off'- mental and physical faculties slowed just enough to take that crucial edge off response time..

I saw Harry and Ruth and Sasha as 'naked' for the moment- not-Spooks, 'just' human beings.

Sasha's world has been torn asunder. he's a walking mass of inchoate rage, grief. propelled by pain. this viewer doubts he had a plan.

Ruth is heady with having been promised more happiness than she has ever allowed herself to ask/reach for in life.

and Harry, perhaps for the only time in 10 seasons, had stepped down for the moment, both intellectually and emotionally, from his chair.. as head of Section-D.

an ineluctable accident

that is what makes the scene 'Tragic' in the "Classical" sense, for me.
3 individuals caught up, tangled in 'Fate', because of who they are- (Aristotle- the inevitability of consequence..)

Perfectly put. Exactly what I thought about that last heart rending moment. Fated and inevitable.

miss denton · (This post was last modified: 29-10-2011 05:21 PM by miss denton.)

I loved it. I would have liked a happier ending for Ruth Sad

Poor Harry. I'm sure about Tom's cameo. Lovely to see him, but i would have liked more than a few minutes of him!

molecatcher · 29-10-2011, 05:56 PM

(29-10-2011 04:36 AM)daphne Wrote:
(28-10-2011 09:52 AM)molecatcher Wrote: On 2nd viewing I got the impression Ruth walked up to Sasha and pushed against him as if she felt she could stop him by putting her body between him and Harry. Sasha looked as shocked as she did when she stepped back wounded. I'm not so sure he intended to stab her let alone kill her.

thank you. my take is along the same lines- I thought I was alone..

I saw the scene as 3 people in an emotional daze- not quite themselves- their professional instincts 'off'- mental and physical faculties slowed just enough to take that crucial edge off response time..

I saw Harry and Ruth and Sasha as 'naked' for the moment- not-Spooks, 'just' human beings.

Sasha's world has been torn asunder. he's a walking mass of inchoate rage, grief. propelled by pain. this viewer doubts he had a plan.

Ruth is heady with having been promised more happiness than she has ever allowed herself to ask/reach for in life.

and Harry, perhaps for the only time in 10 seasons, had stepped down for the moment, both intellectually and emotionally, from his chair.. as head of Section-D.

an ineluctable accident

that is what makes the scene 'Tragic' in the "Classical" sense, for me.
3 individuals caught up, tangled in 'Fate', because of who they are- (Aristotle- the inevitability of consequence..)

Totally agree daphne and the reason I felt I had to take a 2nd look at that scene because as stunned as I had been 1st time around I couldn't shake off a feeling that Ruth's death had, in those few seconds, been an inevitable accident with Sasha in turmoil, Ruth somehow sacrificial having finally declared her true feelings and for a split second when Harry relaxed and smiled, his guard went down and fate dealt that blow.

(29-10-2011 02:13 PM)Naivety Wrote: Despite reading all of the fine and articulate posts above, and trying to be grown up and brave about the ending to this show, in my heart I keep coming back to the heartfelt sensation of disappointment. It's not rational and it doesn't do my sensible, analysing mind justice, but it's real.

I can't help feeling that in these gloomy days of austerity and recession, it would have been good to be left with a heart-lifting conclusion that had hope at its core, instead of despair.

Whatever justification I may come up with for what happened to both Ruth and Harry I admit that disappointment is also in the mix. A little part of most of us wanted some happiness to come Harry's way but realistically his place is on the Grid and as someone else put it so beautifully, he'll be hearing Ruth's voice either chastising or encouraging him as he continues to fight the bad people who want to kill us and in that I see hope rather than despair.

**Silktie** · 29-10-2011, 06:13 PM

Thinking back over season 10, there are quite a few questions remaining for me.

Why did Ilya specifically ask for Harry to be involved? Did he want to rub his perfect life in the man's face who got his wife to spy on him?

Why did Elena go through the whole elaborate charade of pretending that someone pretending to be Harry was contacting her? Surely there was a much simpler way to scupper the talks.

What was the aim of the fake assassination attempt on Ilya?