Series 9 Episode 8 discussion

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(09-11-2010 05:55 PM)BravoNine Wrote:  

(09-11-2010 05:50 PM)Nitrus Wrote:  

(09-11-2010 05:46 PM)BravoNine Wrote:  My problem, they portrayed Lucas North as a man of morality, integrity, loyalty, and dedication, despite his obvious shades of gray and tendency to be a maverick, he always came through for the team, he cared about his team, he would do anything to protect them.

But if you take the view that that was never Lucas and it was John pretending to be moral and loyal etc then does it make sense? That's how I see it, there's no right or wrong opinion of course, it just makes sense to me that it was always John keeping up the pretense and then not keeping up the pretense rather than Lucas suddenly changing his character traits very rapidly without clear explanation.

No, it doesn't make sense, because you can't just pretend to show loyalty or morality, there are simple things that you cannot fake. Who they portrayed John to be, this cold-blooded killer who lies and deceits, can never just turn all that off and be the most loyal dependable agent. You can always pretend, you can't change who you are inside.

Lucas risked his safety running around saving London when he could have easily ran off and left Ros and Connie. Lucas risked his sanity and safety to run off to Moscow to help Harry clear his name when he could have easily pretended to be captured and let Harry take the fall. He ran into that building trying to save Ros when he didn't have to. He was clearly upset over the young teen Dean's death when he didn't need to be. He fought against Oleg Dasharvain to came through for MI5 when he didn't have to be. And there was never any indication he betrayed MI5 in those 8 years in Russia either.

If Lucas was truly just John pretending to be good, then all those moments, all those shown loyalty would never be there. John wouldn't have cared.

And that is my issue.

But in a previous post you got it so right, the fact that the John and Lucas personas were fighting it out ~ to quote you I know Lucas/John jumping off is rather cowardly because he couldn't take going back to prison now he had nothing to live for. But you can always think that he jumped because OUR Lucas is still in there fighting evil John, and that OUR Lucas knew that he had to end this before John hurts anymore people. Think of this as OUR Lucas's sacrifice one last time to save his team and the people who matters. A split personality is just that so you can't blame the actions of one on the other. Vaughn's chilling comment that John had gone to sleep and dreamed he was a hero, then the killer awoke sums up Lucas/John in one sentence.