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BoHenley · (This post was last modified: 07-11-2010 09:10 AM by BoHenley.)

I'll have your rooftop scene, Jhokur. I still think Harry KNOWS.

Sorry, Apicius, can't find it. I thought it was in the "S9 Filming..." directory, but maybe I saw it somewhere else. I can't find it in my "Spooks pics" area (on my home computer) either...

I can describe it.

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George · (This post was last modified: 07-11-2010 11:24 AM by George.)

(07-11-2010 08:55 AM)BoHenley Wrote: I'll have your rooftop scene, Jhokur. I still think Harry KNOWS.
Sorry, Apicius, can't find it. I thought it was in the "S9 Filming..." directory, but maybe I saw it somewhere else. I can't find it in my "Spooks pics" area (on my home computer) either...

I can describe it.
Series 9.8 Spoiler: show
Lucas and Chinese guy standing by the Thames (?) talking. Sorry, but that's it

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conniesachs · 07-11-2010, 11:17 AM

Can anyone help me out with a scene that's been bugging me?

When Vaughn returns to his house and the chinese henchman puts the gun to his neck he asks "Are you bluffing __________?" - What was the name he said? Thought it sounded more like Sam than John, but my hearing really isn't what it should be.

When the chinese boss asks who is bluffing Vaughn apologises and says he didn't realise it was him. So who did he think would put a gun to his neck, John? Some other party we don't know anything about yet?

George · 07-11-2010, 11:23 AM

(07-11-2010 11:17 AM)conniesachs Wrote: Can anyone help me out with a scene that's been bugging me?

When Vaughn returns to his house and the chinese henchman puts the gun to his neck he asks "Are you bluffing __________?" - What was the name he said? Thought it sounded more like Sam than John, but my hearing really isn't what it should be.

When the chinese boss asks who is bluffing Vaughn apologises and says he didn't realise it was him. So who did he think would put a gun to his neck, John? Some other party we don't know anything about yet?

He says: "you are calling my bluff then"

Did you notice:

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Apicius · (This post was last modified: 07-11-2010 12:55 PM by Apicius.)

(07-11-2010 08:49 AM)Jhokur Wrote: A few thoughts of mine, with agreements to prior comments on Albany (not sure what could be a spoiler, so...):

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a) A bogus file - a trigger word given/mentioned by HP at some point during the investigation into Dakar
b) Five's version of Bourne's Blackbriar - Lucas was programmed, albeit OUR Lucas: the Lucas North in Dakar was really John, planted to bring out the traitor.
c) A 5/6 joint investigation on the Chinese/Russian ties

Until the next episode, I truly believe Vaughn brainwashed Lucas at some point. Harry's reactions were more in disbelief about Vaughn than Lucas' "revelations" about his past. Something tells me he knows what's been going down in Lucas' past.

I have a strong feeling Malcolm may have "retired" but never really left the service, not to mention he's one of the most trusted characters with Harry. You know the Chinese would have never had access to the Grid's computers with Malcolm on the job. Coming back for 10th to show Tariq how it's done? Would LOVE it!

My way out for Lucas to be the hero?

Rooftop scene: Lucas/John with Harry, Harry details how Lucas was set up. Lucas surrenders to Harry when Vaughn and Maya show up to kill both Lucas and Harry. Harry takes out Maya, Vaughn clips Harry in the shoulder. Lucas rushes Vaughn - shooting Vaughn in the gut, declares "I will always be Lucas North", shoves him off the roof. Fade out.

Will it happen? I doubt it I can hope for something good though.

Liking some of those theories, but as you said this ending seems unlikely. Suggestion b) is something that I've been thinking about increasingly. But think that they wouldn't do a close copy of a story line, as they like new writing. Possibly could adapt it with some new twists...?

I'm really excited about seeing this episode but the enjoyment is tainted somewhat with the knowledge that it is the last of this season and therefore we have so long to wait before our next new Spooks fix. Bring back the 10 episode series format!! (although perhaps would still feel left short)

(07-11-2010 10:31 AM)George Wrote:
(07-11-2010 08:55 AM)BoHenley Wrote: I'll have your rooftop scene, Jhokur. I still think Harry KNOWS.
Sorry, Apicius, can't find it. I thought it was in the "S9 Filming..." directory, but maybe I saw it somewhere else. I can't find it in my "Spooks pics" area (on my home computer) either...

I can describe it.
Series 9.8 Spoiler: show
Lucas and Chinese guy standing by the Thames (?) talking. Sorry, but that's it

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Lucas and Chinese are twice shown in the BBC clip "Behind the scenes" on the website; it looks like Lucas is in a church. Also Beth and Dimitri walk around in a rail station. All seems shot for ep. 8

Thanks, knew I'd seen it somewhere. Here's a link to it in case anyone else wants to check it out. But be warned...

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GrendelKhan · 07-11-2010, 12:18 PM

I'm with George on this one.
I think Harry knows and they're trying to smoke somebody out.

femaleBertieWooster · 07-11-2010, 05:06 PM

Is there anyone who doesn't think we are going to have a Kurosawa-type third point of view for the Dakar scenes which will show the truth and resolve all? The only thing I can't get a handle on is who's point of view we're going to get. Best guess as of now

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As always, I reserve the right to change my mind starting 5 minutes from now.

tastiger · 07-11-2010, 05:29 PM

I have a problem with all this turmoil that is happening caused by trying to protect Maya. I think the writers dropped the ball here. There was really very little back story about John & Maya....she just appears and all of a sudden she is the love of his life! He was already leading a double life as John/Lucas, she knew him as John, so which personality did she fall in love with? Would a cold blooded killer like John risk everything for the sake of a woman? For Maya to be the catalyst we have to be invested in their relationship and I am not. RA is doing a fantastic job with the duo personality conflict but the aching love for Maya is just not on the radar.

BoHenley · 07-11-2010, 07:48 PM

It's when the editors really need to INCLUDE some character development, isn't it? We SHOULD (as viewers) feel something towards Maya. Instead she's almost irrelevant. And if she's supposed to be pivotal to the Lucas/John story - WE DON'T SEE IT.

Naivety · 07-11-2010, 08:47 PM

If Maya was the love of Lucas's life 15 years ago, does that mean she was in Dakar aswell? Or had he left her behind before going to Dakar, because he seemed to be there for quite a while, gathering the money together to afford to return to the UK. For someone who is supposed to be 'the one' he certainly managed to push her out of his mind for a very long time.

And I'm afraid the problem with Maya is the wishy washy acting of Laila Rouass. I have tried to get used to her, but there is not one shred of chemistry between her and RA. It's not RA that's the problem, it's her. I'm sure in one of RA's many interviews he said something about them knowing each other from way back and that their love scene was like working with an old friend. I reckon RA knew the scenes weren't up to scratch and was making excuses in advance!