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Byatil · 20-01-2011, 08:00 PM

How did Lucas/John acquire so many cars cars in 9.8?
How did he enter talks with the Chinese, without his team knowing?
How was Beth able to find relevent information so quickly?
Why did Vaughn keep a suitcase of Lucas/John's belongings for 15 years?
Why did Harry give away Albany?
Why does Lucas/John sacrifice everything for Maya?

Does any of it add up?

Just a couple of discrepancies I came up with; feel free to discuss any major issues you have with the plot of S9!
Hopefully this should keep the S9 hate to one thread!

Saerwen · 20-01-2011, 11:47 PM

To add to your list Byatil

Why did Lucas go off the building (if that's what he did do) when he was holding a gun in his hand?

Where did he access the explosives and the medical supplies he used?

How did he have time to get all over London to the places he used for each event he staged?

Belle · 21-01-2011, 09:40 AM

also:

When Lucas was interrogated in Russia, wouldn't the Russians have found out about him being John?

If so, why didn't they do something with that info?

What was the point of sacrificing 8 years of his life, if Lucas wasn't Lucas in the first place?

The total shift of personality, simply triggered by a suitcase?

HellsBells · 21-01-2011, 11:53 AM

I think I'm going to like this thread! Great idea Byatil.

Why didn't Lucas kill Vaughn when he first saw him?
Who ordered the bombing of the Embassy in Dakar, and why?

xzibit_m · 21-01-2011, 03:13 PM

•How did Lucas/John acquire so many cars cars in 9.8?

This puzzled me too! I was thinking that MI5 had a stockpile of top of the range Vauxhall's and Lexus' for its agents to have a good time in, but then it clicked that he had a good taste in cars and just hot-wired them..

•Why does Lucas/John sacrifice everything for Maya?

Another thing that didn't really make sence. My understanding was that was Harry got Lucas back from the russians in S7, Lucas talked about having a wife whom he loved very much before hand. She was russian if i remember correctly.. So why did he do all this for a crush he had when he was much younger..

•Why did Harry give away Albany?

This basically shaped episode 8. Harry gave away albany for 2 reasons..
First of all, it was the only thing that would have kept Ruth alive, and despite having a wife and numerous flings with Juliet, I think harry loved Ruth the most. Second of all, Harry knew he could get it back, or at least he thought he did. When he left Albany in the bin, Lucas (who was just behind him) went to check it, and in confirming it was real, phoned harry.. They talked, and it clicked for Lucas that Harry had given away this top secret file too easily.. He realised about Maya and knew that MI5 knew he was going back to the hotel to get her, so Lucas told Harry to make Beth and co stand down or he would let Ruth die. Harry looked sick as a parrot and agreed, and phoned them to tell them to indeed stand down when Lucas came, however he told one of them to go and tell Maya everything Lucas (or John Tongue

) had done, and they fitted her with a tracking device.

Anyway so Lucas got Maya and drove to a destination where he was planning to swap cars when he was near the air strip. Beth and co came following and it was a showdown, where Maya was shot by Beth, hence the revenge with the fake bomb in the london underground station to make harry come to see lucas on the rooftop, and the end of S9.

**NightOwl** · 21-01-2011, 06:20 PM

Why didn't John just get a replacement for his own passport after it was taken from him? (Assuming that part of the story is true.)

Why did John continue living as Lucas once back in England, and why did he decide to join MI-5? What made him change from a man who willingly and casually committed murder and terrorism to a man who was willing to die to stop it?

Why didn't Harry know that Lucas had been in Dakar, and wouldn't Lucas have been involved in any investigation as a member of Section D?

Why did Harry know about Albany and why was he charged with protecting it since it had nothing to do with Counter-Terrorism?

How did the Chinese get the access codes they gave Lucas to verify Albany's authenticity? If they obtained them when they hacked into the GRID why did Harry have them on MI-5's computer?

Why didn't Home Secretary Ash have servants or security guards, or at least security cameras, around that big house?

penfold · 22-01-2011, 03:37 PM

(21-01-2011 06:20 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Why didn't Home Secretary Ash have servants or security guards, or at least security cameras, around that big house?

If you mean Home Secretary Blake [!] he was no longer Home Secretary, nor was he even an MP after being discovered as a leading light of Nightingale *, so the protection would have been withdrawn.

[* That's another plot hole in my book - totally out of left field and completely unbelievable.]

I wondered about the absence of security cameras too!

Tea Lady · 22-01-2011, 03:59 PM

(22-01-2011 03:37 PM)penfold Wrote:
(21-01-2011 06:20 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Why didn't Home Secretary Ash have servants or security guards, or at least security cameras, around that big house?

If you mean Home Secretary Blake [!] he was no longer Home Secretary, nor was he even an MP after being discovered as a leading light of Nightingale *, so the protection would have been withdrawn.

[* That's another plot hole in my book - totally out of left field and completely unbelievable.]

I wondered about the absence of security cameras too!

I assumed there was security cameras which is why Harry did not drive a car up to the front of the house even though it was raining. So his number plate would not be filmed and he had his umbrella up, to hide his face. There would not have been camera's inside the house, but probably at the front gate and to the front and back of the house.

As to why there was nobody else in the house, surely that is because Harry went there to kill him and probably waited to get Blake on his own. Harry was hardly going to turn up by chance with a bottle of poisoned whiskey when there were cooks, and servants running all over the place. Give Harry some credit.

I can't see there are any plot holes there at all.

penfold · 22-01-2011, 05:48 PM

The plot hole to which I was referring was the 'revelation' that Blake was a member of Nightingale - out of character and cobbled on in my opinion.

[Or am I just mourning the loss of Robert Glenister's fabulous character a little too much?]

HellsBells · 22-01-2011, 07:05 PM

Totally agree penfold, if who are a member of Nightingale, you don't ask Harry Pearce to investigate it, as Nicholas Blake did in series 8. And you wouldn't later join such an organisation if you would MI5 are already on to it.

Who were the Chinese talking in french to?