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BoHenley · 19-03-2011, 02:18 AM

I just wanted his "known" past to break him (Lucas) down, as LUCAS not as L/J, as there was so much depth/potential there that wasn't explored, and more than enough to break him apart episode-by-episode.

The inclusion of Vaughan works, maybe even Maya if they'd worked it through properly, but the John bit just doesn't work - for me.

binkie · 19-03-2011, 06:54 PM

(19-03-2011 02:18 AM)BoHenley Wrote: I just wanted his "known" past to break him (Lucas) down, as LUCAS not as L/J, as there was so much depth/potential there that wasn't explored, and more than enough to break him apart episode-by-episode.

Actually, yes, it would have been interesting to see Lucas undo his own damn self. It's not as if we hadn't already seen, across seasons 7/8, pretty solid evidence of his occasional tendency towards selfishness, obduracy and behavioural opacity. It would have been far more delicious to watch a good man divest himself of the layers of 'goodness' - in the full knowledge of doing so - than to watch the emergence of a sociopath from a hiding place he could never have maintained.

BoHenley · 19-03-2011, 09:35 PM

Absolutely!

xRuthx · 21-03-2011, 12:10 PM

(19-03-2011 06:54 PM)binkie Wrote:
(19-03-2011 02:18 AM)BoHenley Wrote: I just wanted his "known" past to break him (Lucas) down, as LUCAS not as L/J, as there was so much depth/potential there that wasn't explored, and more than enough to break him apart episode-by-episode.

Actually, yes, it would have been interesting to see Lucas undo his own damn self. It's not as if we hadn't already seen, across seasons 7/8, pretty solid evidence of his occasional tendency towards selfishness, obduracy and behavioural opacity. It would have been far more delicious to watch a good man divest himself of the layers of 'goodness' - in the full knowledge of doing so - than to watch the emergence of a sociopath from a hiding place he could never have maintained.

Again you speak my words for me. Ultimately so frustrating when you see how many viable storylines were available.

BravoNine · 21-03-2011, 12:25 PM

Lucas falling into the darkness and madness because of what he had suffered and his own emotional problems would have been much more interesting to watch and made the impact much more powerful, especially with the theme of what it costs to be a spy.

It would have made a fascinating exit too, and while Tom left because he was burned from the job, Lucas's exit in this way would have been much more different in the sense it's not that he found moral conscience, but more that what he had to risk and what he had to give was robbing him of the humanity and destroying him to the point where that goodness is gone and all that is left is this dark side taking over.

That would have been a great storyline to explore! Alas, the writers clearly just wanted a shock value at Lucas being evil and people to hate him.

penfold · 21-03-2011, 02:00 PM

I used to be simply 'miffed' and slightly frustrated at the Lucas/John storyline. Now, as more suggestions are coming through from folk on here as to possible, and very plausible explanations the writers could have used, I am getting more and more annoyed at the one they chose.

HellsBells · 21-03-2011, 02:36 PM

Back to plot holes, and this time not a Lucas one.
In 9.2, how did the Colombian gangsters know where Beth was? She was on an undercover assignment for MI5 but the Colombians didn't just bump into her it was a pre-plan killing. And then they also knew where she lived (with Ruth). Was it explains how these Colombian gangsters had access MI5 data?

Byatil · 21-03-2011, 06:39 PM

(21-03-2011 02:36 PM)HellsBells Wrote: Back to plot holes, and this time not a Lucas one.
In 9.2, how did the Colombian gangsters know where Beth was? She was on an undercover assignment for MI5 but the Colombians didn't just bump into her it was a pre-plan killing. And then they also knew where she lived (with Ruth). Was it explains how these Colombian gangsters had access MI5 data?

Hadn't they had her under surveillance? I don't remember if that was ever really explained, I'll have to re-watch.

Nixie · 27-03-2011, 03:00 AM

(25-01-2011 12:27 AM)binkie Wrote: crouching librarian, hidden traitor

Binkie, I love this! Made me laugh out loud! Only reading this thread now as I only finished watching S9 last night and really enjoying your postings Smile

binkie · (This post was last modified: 04-04-2011 03:10 PM by binkie.)

(27-03-2011 03:00 AM)Nixie Wrote:
(25-01-2011 12:27 AM)binkie Wrote: crouching librarian, hidden traitor

Binkie, I love this! Made me laugh out loud! Only reading this thread now as I only finished watching S9 last night and really enjoying your postings

I've been away from this thread for a while, so I've only just seen this. Thank you, Nixie Smile

I would be interested to know if the plotholes stood out to you, as a viewer in 'isolation', as much as they did to an audience experiencing - and discussing - them in real time. I wonder if the group experience of season 9 encouraged the identification plotholes by encouraging discussion of the continuity question. I'm not suggesting for a moment that a person watching this season on their own would have been oblivious to the plotholes (it's my assumption that this would not be the case), but I am curious about the effect of group psychology on the response to, and consideration of, them.