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HellsBells · 03-11-2010, 12:32 PM

(02-11-2010 05:39 PM)Tea Lady Wrote: I think the real Lucas North is dead. Another theory which I know has massive holes is that this is some sort of reverse SugarHorse thingy. During Lucas North's vetting, it was discovered that he was actually a Chinese agent who was going to join MI5 as a sleeper. John Bateman was already in Dakar working for MI6 doing undercover work for Vaughn who didn't know that John worked for MI6. John was ordered to befriend Lucas. Eventually John was ordered to kill Lucas and take his identity so the Chinese would still think they had an agent at MI5. Hence Vaughn saw John killing Lucas. John had to keep up the pretence and plant the bomb.

Harry knows all of this and that the Chinese are listening in to everything. The whole charade in the warehouse was for the Chinese benefit so the Chinese still think their agent is safe and has not been discovered.

Yes, I definitely think this is the best theory so far! Sorry I just can't believe in any brain-washing or genetic experiments. This is Spooks not a sci-fi series.

BravoNine · 03-11-2010, 12:58 PM

(03-11-2010 12:32 PM)HellsBells Wrote:
(02-11-2010 05:39 PM)Tea Lady Wrote: I think the real Lucas North is dead. Another theory which I know has massive holes is that this is some sort of reverse SugarHorse thingy. During Lucas North's vetting, it was discovered that he was actually a Chinese agent who was going to join MI5 as a sleeper. John Bateman was already in Dakar working for MI6 doing undercover work for Vaughn who didn't know that John worked for MI6. John was ordered to befriend Lucas. Eventually John was ordered to kill Lucas and take his identity so the Chinese would still think they had an agent at MI5. Hence Vaughn saw John killing Lucas. John had to keep up the pretence and plant the bomb.

Harry knows all of this and that the Chinese are listening in to everything. The whole charade in the warehouse was for the Chinese benefit so the Chinese still think their agent is safe and has not been discovered.

Yes, I definitely think this is the best theory so far! Sorry I just can't believe in any brain-washing or genetic experiments. This is Spooks not a sci-fi series.

This theory certainly works, but I can believe in brain-washing, not genetic experiments, but brain-washing is often a tactic used in the spy business so it's very well within the realm of Spooks universe.

Brain-washing is not sci-fi, it is real life, it happens in real life, so if it appears in Spooks, it's not a fictional sci-fi tale, it is something that is real and can be damaging.

Logsie · 03-11-2010, 01:47 PM

I just can't let go of the post-hypnotic suggestion angle (yep, more straws, keep 'em coming)

There are clues in the contents of that suitcase, I'm convinced.

Photo of Maya (long lost love of his life), photo of John & Vaughn in the casino.
Casino chips
Sunglasses
CD walkman and headphones ("How does someone go off music?" "... you just stop hearing it")
Maps (of where I'm not sure)
A wallet
A VHS video cassette - WHAT IS ON THAT TAPE??????

BravoNine · 03-11-2010, 01:50 PM

And adding to the speculation that Lucas/John is the Albany file:

Series speculation Spoiler: show

Logsie · 03-11-2010, 02:01 PM

(03-11-2010 01:50 PM)BravoNine Wrote: And adding to the speculation that Lucas/John is the Albany file:

Series speculation Spoiler: show
Skully on Spooks Fan Blog posted an interesting piece of speculation relating to the tattoo that Lucas has on his chest, the William Blake painting "The Ancient of Days", that there is "Ancient of Days" that is a well-known Anglican hymn, also known by its tune, Albany, by William Doane, the first Episcopal bishop of Albany, New York.

Could someone have noticed the connection and decided to make it into this storyline? Maybe Lucas/John really has been the Albany file all along and he never knew it.

Oh Wow! what a theory. If Lucas isn't actually the Albany file then maybe it is an encrypted file and Lucas's tattoos are the encryption key. Harry doesn't know what is in the Albany file and the only way to find out is Lucas. Harry said "your are invaluable to me" and it seems he is invaluable to the Chinese as well!

agent68 · 03-11-2010, 02:03 PM

If Lucas is Albany - what do they, whoever they are, want with him?

I must admit I have absolutely no idea whatsoever where this storyline has been, is at or indeed going to! Everytime someone suggests something I think oooh yes that could be it but in all honesty I really don't know!

watchstrap · 03-11-2010, 02:38 PM

(03-11-2010 10:47 AM)WhiteSwan Wrote:
(03-11-2010 04:37 AM)BravoNine Wrote: Maybe at the end of this episode, we will be shown that this who entire Series 9 was just a dream!

That Lucas was captured by some evil terrorists and they drugged him to mess with his head, and his mind created this whole crazy world that he thinks is real but it's not. And the end of the final episode could be the team coming to Lucas's rescue and saves him from illusions that the terrorists used to mess with his head.

And then the team can go on happily ever after!

I know that's a little far-fetched, but at least it only wastes one series and not two with the storyline they have right now.

You know, I had exactly the same idea! At the moment this seems to be the only plausible ending: we see Lucas in bed, the phone rings and it's Harry who asks: "Where the hell are you? We're all waiting for you!" And Lucas answer is: "Oh, I'm so sorry, I must have overslept. But you know, I had such weird dreams last night."

A la Bobby Ewing? LOL. If you don't remember Dallas then you won't get this reference and won't be as ancient as me!

HellsBells · 03-11-2010, 02:44 PM

That is exactly what I was thinking Watchstrap !! As Lucas steps out of the shower.......

Who Needs Bond · 03-11-2010, 02:51 PM

(03-11-2010 02:44 PM)HellsBells Wrote: That is exactly what I was thinking Watchstrap !! As Lucas steps out of the shower.......

Now you're just wishing for a Lucas shower scene aren't you..!!

FATBOY · 03-11-2010, 03:42 PM

My conclusion is that Maya is working for the Chinese